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>From [e-mail] Sun Jan  7 08:18:34 PST 1996
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 11:17:15 -0500 (EST)
From: BOBBY CLARK <[e-mail]>
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I am playing around with think c 7.0 for the first time.  I have an equation
I need to put into a program.  I have been looking at the examples under the
reference program, but I am clueless.
This is the equation:

        ln (y/f)^12
x =  _____________
        ln 2


        ln b
x=   _________
        ln 2

b=(y/f)^12

Maybe the second one will help clarify the question . . . I asked some people
that didn't understand the notation of the first.

Oh, f = 261.63

        ln (y/261.63)^12
x =   ____________________
             ln 2

y, will be coming from sound input, frequency.  I need to solve for x
the big problem may be that this has to run in real time. . . as fast as
possible.

thanks for your help,
[e-mail]

>From EECS Thu Jan 11 00:47:34 PST 1996
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On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, BOBBY CLARK wrote:

> I am playing around with think c 7.0 for the first time.  I have an equation
> I need to put into a program.  I have been looking at the examples under the
> reference program, but I am clueless.
> This is the equation:
>       ln (y/261.63)^12
> x =   ____________________
>            ln 2
>
> y, will be coming from sound input, frequency.  I need to solve for x
> the big problem may be that this has to run in real time. . . as fast as
> possible.

The fastest way to solve this equation would be by doing a table lookup based on
the precalculated values for x from each value of y, assuming the range of y
allows this.  If y has a limited range but is a floating point number you could
interpolate the x for the fractional portion of y to obtain more accurate results.



>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 11:07:23 PST 1996
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>       ln (y/261.63)^12
> x =   ____________________
>            ln 2


/* define mathtype to whatever you need -- I prefer double */
typedef double mathtype;
const mathtype f = 261.63;
const ln2 = log(2);

mathtype IPower( mathtype x , int power ) {
        mathtype        y;
        while ( !( power & 1 ) ) { x *= x; power >>= 1; }
        y = x;
        while ( --power > 0 ) { y *= x; }
        return y;
}

mathtype IPower12( mathtype x ) {
        x *= x; /* x^2 */
        x *= x; /* x^4 */
        return x * x * x; /* (x^4)^3 == x^12 */
}

mathtype equation( mathtype y ) {
        return ( log( IPower12( y/f ) ) ) / ln2;
}
>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 11:57:03 PST 1996
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:06:44 -0500
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Subject: Get me out of here

I asked to be taken off this mailing list some time ago, Now I'm back on it?
Could some one please tell me were and what to write to get taken off the
list once more
Thanks


>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 13:11:58 PST 1996
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On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Brian Arb wrote:

> I asked to be taken off this mailing list some time ago, Now I'm back on it?
> Could some one please tell me were and what to write to get taken off the
> list once more
> Thanks
>
>
>

I'll bet you never got off. It's just been "dead" for ages and all of a
sudden we started getting messages again!


Steve

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>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 14:16:31 PST 1996
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On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:14:53 PST you wrote:

    I'll bet you never got off.  It's just been "dead" for ages and
    all of a sudden we started getting messages again!

It hasn't been dead as in "the list software was down." It has been
dead because no one has had anything to say (apparently).  Symantec's
language products just don't seem too popular anymore.  I wonder
why...

Mark
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From: "timmu@wolfe" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: CodeWarrier
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What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?
>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 14:58:07 PST 1996
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On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, timmu@wolfe wrote:

> What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?
>
I've never had to look into CodeWarrier because Think C/Symantec C++ have
done everything I've wanted to do so far.  Not a very good answer for you
though :)

There was a thread a month or so  ago on comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools
about CodeWarrier vs Think/Symantec.  The subject pops up quite often.
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>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 17:17:04 PST 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Adam Skwersky)
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Cc: Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>

>
> What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?

What I"m most interested in is comparing PowerPlant to Visual Architect...anyone?

Adam
>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 11 18:18:05 PST 1996
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:17:39 +0000
From: Summer <[e-mail]>
Subject: draw picture
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Hello
        I am drawing a picture to a gworld using a custom GetPic proc.  If
the picture is compressed and decompressing fills the heap,
quickdraw crashes without giving me a chance to react.  Is there a
way to cancel a drawpicture from within my GetPic proc if I predict
a memory shortage?  Any other suggestions...

Thank You
Eric Cole
>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 12 06:19:00 PST 1996
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:22:52 -0500
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Nebinger)
Subject: Re: Get me out of here

>On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:14:53 PST Mark wrote:
>
>    I'll bet you never got off.  It's just been "dead" for ages and
>    all of a sudden we started getting messages again!
>
>It hasn't been dead as in "the list software was down." It has been
>dead because no one has had anything to say (apparently).  Symantec's
>language products just don't seem too popular anymore.  I wonder
>why...

  Maybe we all now understand 100% of the Mac  ;-)

  I think that what the Think-C list (and the Mac Develop list) need
some fresh blood, some new programmers to prod us old-timers.

  Perhaps some advertising on comp.sys.mac.programmer.* is in
order?

Dave.

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             The Alt.Sources.Mac Archivist


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> ----------
> From:         Adam Skwersky
> Sent:         Thursday, January 11, 1996 5:19 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Re: CodeWarrier
>=20
> > What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?
>=20
> What I"m most interested in is comparing PowerPlant to Visual > =
Architect...anyone?
>=20

I'd like to learn how to use PowerPlant, anyone have any =
suggestions/hints on how to get started?  I'm mostly a beginner who has =
been tinkering for a short time, without really getting into it.  I have =
used the toolbox in a limitted way and would like to make life simpler =
(ya right).
>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 12 10:54:23 PST 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Hartmann)
Subject: Think C Profiler

Hi all:

How useful is the profiler in Think C? I used it for a while to monitor
performance of some subroutines.  As the program grew in size when I tried
to use the profiler again the returned information was incomplete.  First,
certain procedures which were definitely called by the program were not
reported, later the profiler log file was plain empty!
Did anybody else observe this?

Thanks for your advice,

Thomas Hartmann
[e-mail]


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From: Chris Tweed <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help: code size explosion


I've been developing an application starting with Think C 5.0.x and TCL 1.1.x
and have recently ported it to the 68k C++ compiler (Think C 7.0.6).  The
standalone application size has doubled - from roughly 380k to nearly 900k.
Is there anything I can do to reduce the size?  I've tried to figure out if
there are any parts of TCL 2.0.5 I can leave out but there are so many
dependencies between classes that it seems to be impossible to isolate
parts even though my code does not use them.  Any help you can offer would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

chris

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From: [e-mail] (Rob Mitchell)
Subject: Re: CodeWarrier

At 2:39 PM 1/11/96, timmu@wolfe wrote:
>What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?

This topic gets rather religious after a while ... beware.

Personally, I ended up switching from Think C/C++ to CodeWarrior
to take advantage of my company's PowerPC.  I like the development
environment then and now.  I kinda feel sorry for Symantec, tho'.
I have seen their v8.x stuff and it looks pretty cool, except that it only
ran on PowerPCs which was (still is?) a problem for my 68K associates.

Good luck.

Rob Mitchell  Macintosh Software Developer
([e-mail])


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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:10:01 +0100
From: "Robert "lobsterman" Huber"  <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: "Robert "lobsterman" Huber"  <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CodeWarrier

> >What do you Think C people think of Metrowerks CodeWarrier?
> Personally, I ended up switching from Think C/C++ to CodeWarrior
same here, just been hanging out for sentimental reasons, IMHO think c and think
pascal were wonderful products, tcl was/is great but codewarrior is much slicker
and the support community is better. with the TCL to powerplant porting package
the switch was half as bad. I just wish there would be something similar for my
pascal TCL projects - dont get me started, i just shut up and let symantec for
mac flounder some more.

stay well,
lobsterman

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Subject: CodeWarrior

I just received my copy of CodeWarrior Academic 7. Great stuff. Only 99$
(Academic version). Think-C was good too. I don't need much, though.


>From [e-mail] Sun Jan 14 13:10:56 PST 1996
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Do I remember correctly that ThinkC 5 has a debugging bug that causes bombs
and things after calls to PBGetCatInfo while the debugger is going?  I keep
getting a number of random bombs after such calls, but cannot reproduce
them when the debugger is off.  Does this sound familiar?

Jeff


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Subject: Re: CodeWarrior

>I just received my copy of CodeWarrior Academic 7. Great stuff. Only 99$
>(Academic version). Think-C was good too. I don't need much, though.

Is this version just priced differently, or does it come with limited
features?  Does it compile for both cpus?  I've never heard of it before?

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Arnold Kim)
Subject: Re: CodeWarrior


>Is this version just priced differently, or does it come with limited
>features?  Does it compile for both cpus?  I've never heard of it before?


Codewarrior Academic is equivalent to the fully featured CodeWarrior.  It
will compile for both CPUs, and now will compile x86 code also. I'm not
sure what platinum is... but early on when there was only Bronze, Silver
and Gold, the academic was equiv to the Gold.

I think the only restriction is that you can't produce Commercial software
with the Academic version.  (shareware is allowed)

arnold



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From: "Robert "lobsterman" Huber"  <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: "Robert "lobsterman" Huber"  <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CodeWarrior

Jeff sez:
> >I just received my copy of CodeWarrior Academic 7. Great stuff. Only 99$
> >(Academic version). Think-C was good too. I don't need much, though.
>
> Is this version just priced differently, or does it come with limited
> features?  Does it compile for both cpus?  I've never heard of it before?

it is just a reduced price for academic uses without reduction of features (as
far as ic an tell) it comes standard with Pascal, Object Pascal, C and C++
compilers, a cross compiler for windows which performs perfect on our mac with
dos card, and it cross comiles for magic cap and newton, which i have not
tested.

also metrowerks (contrary to Symantec) gets out of their way to keep you up to
date. i have been bying every version of the think c and pascal compilers for
the last decade, have registered every product and the only announcements that i
get is junk on windows utilities :-P

if you have not looked into codewarrior, you should check it out.

lobsterman

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Subject:  Help sought re libraries
To: [e-mail]

Message written at 15 Jan 1996 09:53:35 +0000

I have detected a bug in the ANSI C library which is a problem to me,
so as well as reporting it I have fixed the source, but now I cannot
rebuild the libraries.

The fix is in file.c, and affects both 68K and PCC.

If I attempt to build a PPC versio of teh library I variously get
error -1708 and 1024.  I think I am totally confused with shared
libraries and static libraries.  In the latest attempt I have included
PCCANSI.(pi) in my project, and when I attempt to bring my project up
to date it then keeps jumping to PCCANSI and asks me where to build
PCCANSI.(pi) and then says it couldn't complete the last command as it
could not locate ToolServer, whatever that it.

If I change the library to other types I get other odd efects like always
asking to rebuild the library, and then not creating the application.

i have tried reading teh manual but it does not seem to offer any
detailed advise.

I would appreciate a description of how to rebuild a fixed library for
both architectures in all styles.  I have tried including all the
sources from the library directly in my project and that seemed to
fail as well, in various bizarre ways.

==John Fitch
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Subject: Alt.sources.mac archive

For those of you who haven't heard, the alt.sources.mac archive
is alive again.

Currently only supported by anonymous FTP, the archive will soon
have a WWW interface (I am currently designing the pages; they
will be available soon ;-)

Check out the archive:

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Dave Nebinger                             [e-mail]
             The Alt.Sources.Mac Archivist


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Subject: Re: Help sought re libraries

>Message written at 15 Jan 1996 09:53:35 +0000
>
>I have detected a bug in the ANSI C library which is a problem to me,
>so as well as reporting it I have fixed the source, but now I cannot
>rebuild the libraries.
>
>The fix is in file.c, and affects both 68K and PCC.

Could you include the bug and the fix?  I think we would all be
interested...

>If I attempt to build a PPC versio of teh library I variously get
>error -1708 and 1024.

These errors will be encountered if you have disabled applescript.
Sym C++ 8.0 uses applescript, sent to Apple's ToolServer, to use
Apple's linker (required to build static libraries).  What this means
is that you cannot use Apple's linker if you have disabled applescript
when your system starts up.

Make sure that you have apple script, and that it is properly installed
on your Mac.  That will clear these problems up for you.

Dave.

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From: [e-mail] (Kirk Swenson)
Subject: Re: CodeWarrior

>>I just received my copy of CodeWarrior Academic 7. Great stuff. Only 99$
>>(Academic version). Think-C was good too. I don't need much, though.
>
>Is this version just priced differently, or does it come with limited
>features?  Does it compile for both cpus?  I've never heard of it before?

The Academic Version of CodeWarrior is only available to students (and
possibly others in the world of academia), and the license states that it
cannot be used to produce commercial software.  If you want to create
something for sale, you have to upgrade to the full version to stay within
the terms of the license.  For more details, ask this question on the
CodeWarrior newsgroup where it is more appropriate.

Since this is Symantec's list, I should point out that Symantec also has
academic pricing plans, or at least did the last time I talked to someone
in academia about it.  If you are interested in Symantec's options, ask
them.

Kirk Swenson
Senior Programmer
Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Institute
[e-mail]


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does codewarrier have a listserve?  That is how I get these messages.  If so, do you know what it is?


----------
From:   Kirk Swenson
Sent:   Monday, January 15, 1996 11:12 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: CodeWarrior

>>I just received my copy of CodeWarrior Academic 7. Great stuff. Only 99$
>>(Academic version). Think-C was good too. I don't need much, though.
>
>Is this version just priced differently, or does it come with limited
>features?  Does it compile for both cpus?  I've never heard of it before?

The Academic Version of CodeWarrior is only available to students (and
possibly others in the world of academia), and the license states that it
cannot be used to produce commercial software.  If you want to create
something for sale, you have to upgrade to the full version to stay within
the terms of the license.  For more details, ask this question on the
CodeWarrior newsgroup where it is more appropriate.

Since this is Symantec's list, I should point out that Symantec also has
academic pricing plans, or at least did the last time I talked to someone
in academia about it.  If you are interested in Symantec's options, ask
them.

Kirk Swenson
Senior Programmer
Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Institute
[e-mail]




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Message written at 16 Jan 1996 08:29:00 +0000

Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec Debugger for PowerMac
C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it will not run for any
but the most trivial programs. I have had the advise previously to
remove the preference file, and in that case it did actually allow it
to start.  In my present application it gets as far as creating a
window called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
programs?

==John ff
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Message written at 15 Jan 1996 21:51:59 +0000
In-reply-to: <v01530507ad20476d7188@[199.224.69.44]> (message from Dave
        Nebinger on Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:26:06 -0800 (PST))

The bug to which I refere is what happens when one attempt to open the
33rd file.  The code calls __getfile() to find a free entry in the iob
array, and fails, and so returns NULL.  This is passed to freopen as
the last argument.  The net call is to __parse_mode which promplu
writes to the read_prohibited and write_prohibited fileds of the
(non-existent) FILE*.  Later in the actual open call it wil return teh
NULL and record the error in errno, but it is too late.  A simpel fix
is in __parse_mode to add as the first thing

        if (fp == NULL) return 1;

There are of course other ways of fixing it.

I also have a problem with FOPEN_MAX being so small, but that is not a
bug but a nuisance!

Thank you for your comments about Applescript.  I do not remember
disabling it, but then I have never knowingly used it as I could not
find any documentation for it or any examples.  I will try as soon as
I can get to the Macintosh.  I only hope I can find out if it exists.

==John ff
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Hi all,
I'm quite a beginner and I'm trying to access a VME bus usin the MAC as a master
trough a MICRON card. The problem is that the routine I've written should test
the presence of a register at a specific location. This migth lead at a bus
error if the location is not physically present. I'd like to make my function to
return safely from such access, making me know if there was such an error.
Has someone ever faced this problem or has an example of how to do that (maybe a
patch)?
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        Gianadrea Gobbo ( [e-mail] )
>From [e-mail] Mon Jan 22 22:00:17 PST 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Huntsberry)
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I am wondering if anyone knows were to get TC 7.0 compatible
Universal Headers 7.5.  Version 7.1 came with the system,
but now I seem to have a project that uses the 7.5 headers.

I have CodeWarrior 7, which has them, but the precompiled
headers had to be recombined under TC (which was fine),
and of course the MacTraps and ANSI libraries don't work
(which is not fine).

I can't find anything on the Symantec FTP or Web sites,
and I cannot upgrade to TC 8.0 because I have a 68k machine.

Any ideas here?

Please send e-mail as well as posting to the list.

Steve Huntsberry
Adobe Systems Inc.
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Rasberry)
Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger

 > Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec Debugger for
 > PowerMac C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it
 > will not run for any but the most trivial programs. I have
 > had the advise previously to remove the preference file, and
 > in that case it did actually allow it to start.  In my
 > present application it gets as far as creating a window
 > called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
 > with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
 > programs?

I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!

I posted a question on Symantec's web site earlier this week, but so far I
haven't received a reply, let alone a solution.  Is anyone from Symantec
reading this list?

-raz


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:17:07 -0800
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hartmann)
Subject: Re: Universal Headers 7.5

Steve,

We now offer an upgrade to C/C++ 7.0.5 for 68k only.  It contains the latest=
 Universal Headers 2.1 plus the latest TCL and Visual Architect with=
 documentation in Acrobat PDF format.  The upgrade is $49.95.  Otherwise,=
 there is no legitimate way of getting our headers and libraries.  We also=
 offer free email support on the Internet with 24 hour or better turnaround=
 on business days.  All technical support questions go to support@devtools.s=
ymantec.com.  Use [e-mail] to report potential bugs. =20

You can also upgrade to version 8.0 because it includes the complete 68k=
 environment as well.  The upgrade is $149.95 which includes an annual=
 subscription for two more update CD's.   There is over 300 meg of code and=
 developer information on the CD including Think Reference and all the=
 databases.  We will be shipping a fat Symantec Project Manager that=
 produces both 68k and PowerPC code in an upcoming release.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support=20

On 1/25/96 you wrote:
>I am wondering if anyone knows were to get TC 7.0 compatible
>Universal Headers 7.5.  Version 7.1 came with the system,
>but now I seem to have a project that uses the 7.5 headers.
>
>I have CodeWarrior 7, which has them, but the precompiled
>headers had to be recombined under TC (which was fine),
>and of course the MacTraps and ANSI libraries don't work
>(which is not fine).
>
>I can't find anything on the Symantec FTP or Web sites,
>and I cannot upgrade to TC 8.0 because I have a 68k machine.
>
>Any ideas here?
>
>Please send e-mail as well as posting to the list.
>
>Steve Huntsberry
>Adobe Systems Inc.
>[e-mail]


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> > Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec Debugger for
> > PowerMac C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it
> > will not run for any but the most trivial programs. I have
> > had the advise previously to remove the preference file, and
> > in that case it did actually allow it to start.  In my
> > present application it gets as far as creating a window
> > called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
> > with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
> > programs?

>I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
>with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
>debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
>memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!

It just stopped working for me a couple of weeks ago:
The source and data windows come up (all white) and then it just holds.
Pressing cmd-power reveals the current process is the Symantec Project
Manager. Also my program is present, but cannot be brought to the
front. Restarting is the only way to clean things up, after es-ing
the PM and debugger (otherwise restarting is not possible).
Very annoying.

So any solutions are greatly appreciated!

Ed van Zon
[e-mail]

>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 25 08:30:34 PST 1996
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:30:11 -0800
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hartmann)
Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger

What version of the Symantec Project Manager and debugger are you using? =
 Sometimes it's counterproductive to throw large amounts of memory at the=
 debugger.  Better to run at the preferred size or increase it a meg or two.=
  Same is true for the Symantec Project Manager.   With the latest version=
 of the SPM and debugger from the R4 update CD, I'm not having this problem=
 or hearing it from other customers.  Of course, not everyone is building=
 projects with 250 source files.  If that's overstressing the debugger, we=
 need to know about it and get it fixed.

Please direct all technical support questions to [e-mail].c=
om.  Use [e-mail] to report potential bugs.   Expect a=
 reply, if not an answer, in 24 hours on business days.  Sometimes the tough=
 problems take a while to research.

And yes, we do look at this list and most comp.sys.mac.programmer=
 newsgroups.  We are increasing our efforts with online support.  Given the=
 nature of developer questions, email is often a better vehicle for support=
 questions than the phone.  It's hard to see source code on the phone. :-) =
 As email traffic increases, our staffing for email support will increase. =
 I also suggest continued posting to this list and to newsgroups. IMHO, as=
 talented as our staff is, we haven't seen everything or solved every=
 problem.  Sometimes the collective wisdom of the 'net can provide the=
 solution you need from their firsthand experience in a very short time.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support=20

On 1/25/96 you wrote:> > Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec=
 Debugger for
> > PowerMac C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it
> > will not run for any but the most trivial programs. I have
> > had the advise previously to remove the preference file, and
> > in that case it did actually allow it to start.  In my
> > present application it gets as far as creating a window
> > called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
> > with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
> > programs?
>
>I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
>with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
>debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
>memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!
>
>I posted a question on Symantec's web site earlier this week, but so far I
>haven't received a reply, let alone a solution.  Is anyone from Symantec
>reading this list?
>
>-raz


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From: [e-mail] (Adam Skwersky)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>

Have you tried "removing" all objects and "rebuilding" the project?
I seem to remember this happening to me too and it dissappeared
after that.

Adam Skwersky
> It just stopped working for me a couple of weeks ago:
> The source and data windows come up (all white) and then it just holds.
> Pressing cmd-power reveals the current process is the Symantec Project
> Manager. Also my program is present, but cannot be brought to the
> front. Restarting is the only way to clean things up, after es-ing
> the PM and debugger (otherwise restarting is not possible).
> Very annoying.
>
> So any solutions are greatly appreciated!
>
> Ed van Zon
> [e-mail]
>
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Haver)
Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger

> > Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec Debugger for
> > PowerMac C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it
> > will not run for any but the most trivial programs. I have
> > had the advise previously to remove the preference file, and
> > in that case it did actually allow it to start.  In my
> > present application it gets as far as creating a window
> > called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
> > with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
> > programs?
>
>I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
>with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
>debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
>memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!
>

Verify the "Enable Symbolic Debugging" checkbox in your PowerPC C/C++
options dialog.  You need to check this to generate symbolic variable
information.   (Page 97 in Symantec C++ Compiler Guide)

Jeff




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Message written at 25 Jan 1996 20:32:03 +0000
In-reply-to: <[e-mail]> ([e-mail])

I realise I started teh current questioning of the debugger.  Acting
on advice from Symantec I changed to use the debugger in the "next
release" part of the CD and magically it all started working
(including teh program I was attempting to debug!)  That could
indicate some volatility, but I was pleased and not a little impressed
with the assistance I got from Symantec.  I just though I would say
that in case I need them again!

==John
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To what address do I send a request to be removed from this list?
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Something else you may want to try is to remove the Symantec Debugger
Prefs from your Preferences folder and throw them away.  If that doesn't
help then when you select "Run with debugger" from the Project menu hold
down the option key after making the menu selection.   What that will do is
prevent the loading of any breakpoints and expressions which,  in some cases,
can cause the debugger to crash.

Steve Howard
Symantec Macintosh DevTools Support       1/26/96
[e-mail]
************************************************
>Have you tried "removing" all objects and "rebuilding" the project?
>I seem to remember this happening to me too and it dissappeared
>after that.
>
>Adam Skwersky
>> It just stopped working for me a couple of weeks ago:
>> The source and data windows come up (all white) and then it just holds.
>> Pressing cmd-power reveals the current process is the Symantec Project
>> Manager. Also my program is present, but cannot be brought to the
>> front. Restarting is the only way to clean things up, after es-ing
>> the PM and debugger (otherwise restarting is not possible).
>> Very annoying.
>>
>> So any solutions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Ed van Zon
>> [e-mail]
>>


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Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger

>> > Am I alone in having problems with the Symantec Debugger for
>> > PowerMac C?  It seems very sensitive, in the sense that it
>> > will not run for any but the most trivial programs. I have
>> > had the advise previously to remove the preference file, and
>> > in that case it did actually allow it to start.  In my
>> > present application it gets as far as creating a window
>> > called "Source" before removing all its windows and stopping,
>> > with no comment.  Does anyone have any advice as how to debug
>> > programs?
>
>>I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
>>with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
>>debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
>>memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!
>
>It just stopped working for me a couple of weeks ago:
>The source and data windows come up (all white) and then it just holds.
>Pressing cmd-power reveals the current process is the Symantec Project
>Manager. Also my program is present, but cannot be brought to the
>front. Restarting is the only way to clean things up, after es-ing
>the PM and debugger (otherwise restarting is not possible).
>Very annoying.

With 8.04d11 I had some debugging problems.  A project with only two
files would only show the source for one of the files, but not the
other (regardless of what the settings were).  Removing objects, changing
settings, etc., wouldn't rectify the problem.

Since the version from the CD said 8.04 was pre-release, I just reverted
back to 8.03.  So much for MrC...

Dave.

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>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 26 07:35:36 PST 1996
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>I'm having some problems though not as serious as yours.  I have a project
>with just under 250 source files.  I can run the project under the
>debugger, but the data window won't display any values -- just "out of
>memory".  That's bogus because I've given the debugger as much as 30Mb!

The most common cause of this error is the "Enable Symbolic Debugging"
option in the PowerPC C or C++ compiler options (on the Debugging page).
If you happen to turn this option Off, you lose the ability to enter
expressions, although you'll still get variables in the stack crawl.
Unfortunately this generates an "out of memory" error instead of a more
helpful message. Turning the option On and recompiling fixes the problem.

The next SC++ release will fix this problem, and also adds a "just in
time" debugging feature that defers generating debug information until
it's required.

In some cases the current debugger will report and "out of memory" error
when the SPM is out of memory, or if there isn't enough temporary memory
free. The next release also has fixes for these problems as well that
enable the SPM to make more efficient use of memory.

-phil

Phil Shapiro                                 Senior Software Engineer
Development Tools Group                          Symantec Corporation
                     [e-mail]

>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 26 08:42:14 PST 1996
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>...Of course, not everyone is building
> projects with 250 source files.  If that's overstressing the debugger, we
> need to know about it and get it fixed.

I just want to comment that projects with 250 source files are not at all
uncommon in my work. I would guess that there are plenty of developers out
there using that many files and more.

In my case, this often happens because I do a lot of porting from DOS,
Windows, and Unix environments. Think about adding together TCL and a
significant body of code that has accumulated over time under, say Unix,
and you will realize how many files can be involved in even a relatively
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>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 26 09:49:50 PST 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Weinberg)
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Subject: Re: Symantec Debugger

I thought I sent out this response last week.

This problem went away for me when I removed the size resource from my
resource file and I let the project manager build it's own when
compiling and linking.   I think it was related to one of the
backgrounding bits.  I can't remember exactly.

 >Adam Skwersky
 >> It just stopped working for me a couple of weeks ago:
 >> The source and data windows come up (all white) and then it just holds.
 >> Pressing cmd-power reveals the current process is the Symantec Project
 >> Manager. Also my program is present, but cannot be brought to the
 >> front. Restarting is the only way to clean things up, after es-ing
 >> the PM and debugger (otherwise restarting is not possible).
 >> Very annoying.
 >>
 >> So any solutions are greatly appreciated!
 >>
 >> Ed van Zon
 >> [e-mail]
 >>
 >
Larry Weinberg                          Rhythm & Hues, Inc.
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>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 26 15:41:23 PST 1996
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Hallo

You must not swear in the church but a god way to get straight answers
would be to go to the church and ask why you should believe in god.

Now folks, why use Symantec C++ and TCL? What about Codewarriorr?

Another question: Learning C++ is simple when comparing learning a
class-library. Are there other class-librarys out there? Have I any chance
to understand them when knowing TCL?

Or for that sake: Symantec C++ for Windoze. There must be a class-library
for PC but all my toolbox-calls? (Do not come and say that there is no
meaning to port Mac programs to the PC because the rumors say that the PC
will die...)

/Jens Malmgren


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About every 3 to 4 weeks when I use Think C 7.06 after compiling and
linking my program, I run it in debugger mode only to get a "ZRef -
internal Error please remove objects".But after removing
objects,compiling,linking and running I get the same message.In fact
the only way to get it running again is to delete the old project
file make a new project file and add all the old source to it,after
which there is no debugger,run-time errror. Lastly there are some
times when my program starts acting "weird".On closer insp ection of
the debugger data values are not what they should be although I could
not find any error in my program(and previous versions had run OK) so
I just rem ove the MacTraps file and reload it and Voila! no
problems. Now although I was glad to find a workaround to these
problems I am nervous when I do not know if the final version of my
program is not 100 percent (well at least 99% (-: ) stable. For
example I am slightly nervous that my removing and adding of MacTraps
is a solution only because it is causing my program to acess
different addreses in memory. So since we have a Symantec guru
watching over us (or anybody else with some insight or similiar
problems) I would be grateful for any advice.
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Sample code ideas survey

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
comp.sys.mac.programmer.info)

I apologize in advance if you see this several times, or if you feel this
is not appropriate content for this mailing list.  I have used the web page
of mailing lists at <http://www.macfaq.com/mailinglists.html> to guess at
appropriate mailing lists for this request.

I'm gathering input for some work planning we are doing in DTS.  DTS
frequently does sample code, with the express purpose of helping
developers with problems they encounter.  If you have a suggestion for
sample code, please send it to me at the email address <[e-mail]>.
As a subject line, please use the words "Sample Code Survey".  Describe
the kind of sample code you would like to see, in as much detail as
possible.  Remember that sample code is designed to help all developers.
I can't promise that we will actually write all sample code requested, but
it will help us prioritize what sample code we should be writing.

I will collect all suggestions and pass them on to DTS managers so we can
allocate time for appropriate sample code. Thank you in advance for any
responses.

--Brian Bechtel, DTS    [e-mail]


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